From: Joerg Hansmann (info_at_jhansmann.de)
Date: 2001-09-03 00:07:31
Hi frans ,
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From: frans smith <f.smith_at_c...>
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Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [buildcheapeeg] Alpha/Theta feedback
>Hi Joerg how are you ?,
Thanks ;-)
>I i'm not sure wheter i understand the question.
>(is it a technical question or related to medtitation ?)
It is more related to meditation.
The technical stuff was intended for the feedback-experts
here to check out, if I have made some obvious mistakes
in electrode placement or protocol implementation.
>>From your writting i get the impression you cannot
>do theta training, that is you don't produce theta ?
That is right.
The Theta feedback sound occurred very rare and short
in my Alpha/Theta sessions.
>
>1. I thougth the EEG should be adjusted to filter Alpha
>so as to give feedback to the practionar.
>2. If theta is the main goal, then the same for theta.
I have used a combined Alpha/Theta protocol that Elmer and
Alice Green have presented in the book "Beyond Biofeedback".
IIRR Peniston has made a similar approach for the EEG-feedback
part of his protocol.
With Theta feedback only I have got no better results than with
Alpha/Theta feedback.
>3. If you would like to enter these states, then naturally
> (i guess) the first step is to become familliar with re-
> laxation (alpha).
ACK.
> However, from what i know, alpha can
> be improved at different places (front, back).
So I should reconsider the electrode placement ?
> If you do first relaxation, then if correct you automaticly
> enter alpha state, that is if you don't let your thougths
> up-set you. (visualize something nice).
Deliberately concentrating on anything (pictures etc.) immediately
cancels Alpha and lets me fall back to Beta.
> Alpha is if i'm rigth a state before sleeping, but it's easy
> to learn to enter this state
ACK.
> and then use the state for
> programming yor-self etc.
By using inner speech with positive suggestions ? (Like in autogenic training
or self hypnosis ?)
>
>4. Theta goes deeper, one must be good in meditation or
> self-hypnosis. On the other hand, the use of software
> can speed up this process.
I hope so...
> Theta is seen in hypnosis,
> and sleep. I guess if you want theta, then you must be
> able to meditate.
There are many kinds of meditation. Would Vipassana
be suitable ?
> When you close your eyes alpha is
> present,
Yes. After a few seconds.
> if you just relax alpha is present, but perhaps
> you should learn meditation or mind-control
Silva mind control with counting into relaxation states ?
> to reach the
> theta state.
>
>5. Inner perception: If in alpha on must try and "feel" this
> state to learn the different between tension and relax,
In my experience tension is the direct result of will and desire.
> the inner state then in theta is not easy to explain.
Have you experienced Theta during meditation ?
> From what i know, some people have evil images, while
> others have visions, i don' t know.
Yes. I have read of "interesting" hypnogogic imagery
similar to those induced by psychedelic drugs like
LSD or mushrooms.
>
> It is said one comes
> (or can) come in cntact with the sub-conciousness.
That is why I am especially interested in Theta.
> When i did a course in Silva Mind Control, they used
> a sort of hypnosis to "program" us to reach that state.
> i'm not sure wheter i did. In theta it had to be possible
> to do "arm levitation" that is without normal force, the
> arm would rise due to suggestion. Few claimed they
> could do it, but i'm not sure. it can be done however, but
> you must use kind of protocoll to relax and go deeper
> in trance, EEG only gives information on your progress.
> Inner perception is (i guess) someting you can only
> experience and tell for your self. Try to find a book of
> Silva mind control by Jose Silva.
I have read some books written by Silva. However I did not
have the impression that the counting technique worked
very well for me. Also I am not skilled in imagination of
inner pictures.
Regards,
Joerg
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