From: peterson_at_d...
Date: 2001-07-14 17:04:05
--- In buildcheapeeg_at_yahoogroups.com, yaniv_vi_at_yahoo.com wrote:
> hi
> 1. about my goal - it was just to design the s.w. with some option
> that in future it could be used for bfb/nfb . just not to do the
same
> work twice in the future . i know it delays in some when open
source
> s.w. is ready but , we have some nfb soft and second it's the right
> way to work .
> 2.about bfb , there's on type of bfb that is very simple to do -
> hand temperature biofeedback. the tools are cheap and availble
> - a simple digital thermometer .but still it's not very used
> technique . why ? can anybody start working on this area ?
> because to some extent i think the same things that prevent
> nfb from bein popular , and the same things that prevent thermal
> bfb from being popular .
> and i think if we do some serious work on making thermal bfb
> popular we have a stronger base for making nfb popular .
> it might be very helpfull to our goal (giving the power of nfb
> to public) .
> 3. on a personal note , could someone write a serious note on
thermal
> training ? because i have started on this , and i have a few
> questions , like for example what temp should i achieve ?
> what techinques can i use to achieve lowe temp ???
>
>
You're absolutely rightr about the value of temperature training, and
the cheapness of the equipment. Actually, I use it a lot because the
equipment is so cheap that one can do it in groups, with an
instrument for each participant. You can use almost any thermometer
that you can hold in your fingers, such as a glass alcohol
thermometer with an exposed bulb you can grasp, but I buy simple $10
indoor-outdoor thermometers from Harbor Freight
(www.harborfreight.com). You switch the thermometer onto Outdoor and
hold the end of the probe with the thermocouple between your fingers.
These are good thermometers because they sample temperature every
couple of seconds. Many other I/O thermometers, like the ones Radio
Shack sells, only sample every 10 or 15 seconds and that's too slow
for feedback. We generally try to get people up to 96 F (35.5 C)
finger temperature. To accomplish this, you can use many approaches,
such as listening to a progressive muscle relaxation tape or an
autogenics tape. Or just keep repeating to yourself words
like "Soft, warm, heavy, limp" (limp as in loose, free of muscle
tension) and trying to increase these feelings in your body.
Hope this is helpful.
Jim
>
>
> --- In buildcheapeeg_at_yahoogroups.com, peterson_at_d... wrote:
> > --- In buildcheapeeg_at_yahoogroups.com, "frans" <f.smith_at_c...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Yaniv and other members,
> > >
> > > I was thinking of a MODULAIR BFB/NFB SYSTEM.
> > >
> > > *Computer interface including .
> > > * Module 1, EEG for neurofeedback.
> > > * Module 2, ECG
> > > * Module 3, GSR (very effective for anxiety)
> > > * Module 4, Temperature FB.
> > > * Module 5, EMG
> > >
> > This is an absolutely fascinating idea. I think most of the
> > biofeedback equipment on the market is grossly overpriced, and if
> it
> > were more commonly available a whole lot of people would be
better
> > served. This would by no means reduce the need for therapists,
who
> > would be able to keep themselves very busy as "coaches." One
very
> > interesting new area is heart rate variability (based either on
> > EKG/ecg or on a finger pulse sensor), which seems to be important
> in
> > reducing the potential for heart attacks, etc. The process of
> > learning to increase your heart rate variability apparently
> involves
> > learning to be less angry. I don't really understand the whole
> > psychophysiology of it, but there is a website,
www.heartmath.com,
> > that I think some of us might find interesting to check out.
> >
> > Nevertheless, I really hope these side excursions do not distract
> us
> > from accomplishing our main purpose of developing the openEEG
> system.
> > --Jim Peterson
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