From: frans (f.smith_at_c...)
Date: 2001-07-14 18:00:43
Hi,
Temperature Feed Back.
Lets asume the temperature of the human body is
37 degree's Celsius. A to high temp. would be fever.
Raising only one or two degree's celsius could be done,
but it works slowly. GSR for example react fast.
>From all the bfb methods temp. is the slowest.
One can use temp. with succes, but the problem is dat it
works slow.
A therapist must convince a client he/she can control his/
her body. At least some parts of it.
If this would take to long, then the client would not be
building confidence. A qiuck prove that one can influence
one's body-processes gives client confidence.
Temp, is used in anxiety. There is some illness where
people suffer from bad blood circulation. Raising the
temp, in an given area can improve the condition.
A higher body temp. at a given location indicates more
blood circulation. Only logic then to use temp. for con-
ditions where you need to have better blood circulation.
In my opinion Temp.FB, is only important in the above
conditions, and for experiments. In autogenic training people learn to relax, raise the temp. of arms and legs etc..
If you would try this you would notic its easy with arms and your feets. But if you try to raise the temp of any
onther part of the body it would be not that easy.
For example, in mind-control class, i could feel heat in my
feets and lower legs, and in my hands. Notat the top of
my head, or in my neck....To become more sensitive to
other parts of the body temp.FB is ideal. But again, it
works slow.
EEG can be used for depression sinds some wave patterns correlate to depression (according to rechearch).
GSR, Temp, ECG, EMG, are only physiological reactions
due to some problems like fear, stress etc...
Most BFB learn us to react different to events, social or
psychological proplems. Controlling our reaction to some
event makes that a event does not control us anymore...
F. smith
----- Original Message -----
From: peterson_at_d...
To: buildcheapeeg_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 6:04 PM
Subject: [buildcheapeeg] Re: Software requirements
--- In buildcheapeeg_at_yahoogroups.com, yaniv_vi_at_yahoo.com wrote:
> hi
> 1. about my goal - it was just to design the s.w. with some option
> that in future it could be used for bfb/nfb . just not to do the
same
> work twice in the future . i know it delays in some when open
source
> s.w. is ready but , we have some nfb soft and second it's the right
> way to work .
> 2.about bfb , there's on type of bfb that is very simple to do -
> hand temperature biofeedback. the tools are cheap and availble
> - a simple digital thermometer .but still it's not very used
> technique . why ? can anybody start working on this area ?
> because to some extent i think the same things that prevent
> nfb from bein popular , and the same things that prevent thermal
> bfb from being popular .
> and i think if we do some serious work on making thermal bfb
> popular we have a stronger base for making nfb popular .
> it might be very helpfull to our goal (giving the power of nfb
> to public) .
> 3. on a personal note , could someone write a serious note on
thermal
> training ? because i have started on this , and i have a few
> questions , like for example what temp should i achieve ?
> what techinques can i use to achieve lowe temp ???
>
>
You're absolutely rightr about the value of temperature training, and
the cheapness of the equipment. Actually, I use it a lot because the
equipment is so cheap that one can do it in groups, with an
instrument for each participant. You can use almost any thermometer
that you can hold in your fingers, such as a glass alcohol
thermometer with an exposed bulb you can grasp, but I buy simple $10
indoor-outdoor thermometers from Harbor Freight
(www.harborfreight.com). You switch the thermometer onto Outdoor and
hold the end of the probe with the thermocouple between your fingers.
These are good thermometers because they sample temperature every
couple of seconds. Many other I/O thermometers, like the ones Radio
Shack sells, only sample every 10 or 15 seconds and that's too slow
for feedback. We generally try to get people up to 96 F (35.5 C)
finger temperature. To accomplish this, you can use many approaches,
such as listening to a progressive muscle relaxation tape or an
autogenics tape. Or just keep repeating to yourself words
like "Soft, warm, heavy, limp" (limp as in loose, free of muscle
tension) and trying to increase these feelings in your body.
Hope this is helpful.
Jim
>
>
> --- In buildcheapeeg_at_yahoogroups.com, peterson_at_d... wrote:
> > --- In buildcheapeeg_at_yahoogroups.com, "frans" <f.smith_at_c...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Yaniv and other members,
> > >
> > > I was thinking of a MODULAIR BFB/NFB SYSTEM.
> > >
> > > *Computer interface including .
> > > * Module 1, EEG for neurofeedback.
> > > * Module 2, ECG
> > > * Module 3, GSR (very effective for anxiety)
> > > * Module 4, Temperature FB.
> > > * Module 5, EMG
> > >
> > This is an absolutely fascinating idea. I think most of the
> > biofeedback equipment on the market is grossly overpriced, and if
> it
> > were more commonly available a whole lot of people would be
better
> > served. This would by no means reduce the need for therapists,
who
> > would be able to keep themselves very busy as "coaches." One
very
> > interesting new area is heart rate variability (based either on
> > EKG/ecg or on a finger pulse sensor), which seems to be important
> in
> > reducing the potential for heart attacks, etc. The process of
> > learning to increase your heart rate variability apparently
> involves
> > learning to be less angry. I don't really understand the whole
> > psychophysiology of it, but there is a website,
www.heartmath.com,
> > that I think some of us might find interesting to check out.
> >
> > Nevertheless, I really hope these side excursions do not distract
> us
> > from accomplishing our main purpose of developing the openEEG
> system.
> > --Jim Peterson
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