From: SKYFLYER (skyflyer_at_m...)
Date: 2001-08-10 21:46:54
Hi Frans,
Thanks for your reply and references. I agree with you that brainwave patterns only reflect the phenomenon of our state of mind. And the state of mind can only be copied or transfered by a master as you mentioned. And also, enlightment can not be achieved by NFB. Does anyone know who has been enlightened by NFB?
However, I believe NFB can do the most to bring people into the state of pre-enlightment. To be enlightened, extra kick is needed. During NFB training sessions, people needs to be remined in a certain point that this is exactly the state of pre-enlightment. i.e. if the training is effective. Andmethods would be given to keep their mind in that state even when they arenot using NFB. People's will power is the key to achieve that state, not NFB. NFB would act only as the meter to our state of mind. So, training method is still the most important element in NFB.
I would very much like to see the invention of a wireless EEG that people can carry with them anywhere they go just like a walkman. And it would report the state of mind anytime you wish. To do this, a lot of studies need to be performed. Especially the correlation between brainwave patterns and the state of mind, such as the brainwave pattern of pre-enlightment. As for the EEG, measuring brainwaves without wired electrodes is a must. Is it possible to get readings from wireless earplugs, earclips or even body media such as saliva or hair samples?
Skyflyer
----- Original Message -----
From: frans
To: buildcheapeeg_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: 2001/8/11 03:12 am
Subject: Re: [buildcheapeeg] The cheapest biofeedback device
Hi,
I think you do not understand the difference between an brain-pattern/state
and a state of "conciousness".
NFB can help in meditation, but i think
you cannot just copy the patterns of a
goeroe or master.
It would be to complex to explain for me
sinds my englisch is not that good, and
also i had to do some study on it, but i
think you must understand that a yogi
afther years of training has an inner
feedback system. The fact that he can
alter his brain waves is not the same as
people like us do afther some sessions.
In one session a goeroe holding his had
above the head of a man, was able to
change the patterns of that man.
They used the mind-mirror.
The awakened mind.
ISBN 90 202 4919 3
Delacorte Press/Eleanor Friede, New York.
Alpha brainwaves.
David Boxerman and Aaron Spilken.
1975. ISBN 0 89087 016 0
Biofeedback.
1972, Marvin Karlins, Lewis M. Andrews.
J.B Lippincott company, 521 fifth
avenuem new york, new york 10017 usa.
ISBN (netherlands) 90 257 0162 0
Regards
Frans
P.s
Do you think an enligthed man has a
special brain pattern witch can be imi-
tated by normal man, and at that moment they are enligthened ???
Is the special brain pattern a result of the fact that this man is enligthened, or
is being enlighted a result of brain patern ?.
You realy think by having the same brain
patern you would be enlighted ?.
so from that moment on you have a form
of higher conciousness ?.
I think this is not the case, but if it would
be that simpel, the world would be a different place.
Frans
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