From: Jim Meissner (jpmeissner_at_mindspring.com)
Date: 2002-02-27 17:21:14
Dear John:
> Forget about looking at brain waves!
> Thing more about Biofeedback-reward type system....eg everyone get a green
> light then they ALL reach the right state.
> OR
> L/S (light & Sounds) or Shakti machines synchronising everyone's brain
waves
> to the same frequency!
> OR
> As simple as waiting for everyone to reach a certain state of
consciousness
> (eg Alpha) before continuing with an exercise!
>
>
>
IT IS OBVIOUS FROM THE ABOVE STATEMENTS, THAT YOU SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE.
As Jim Peters pointed out you need to do some RESEARCH and determine what is
REAL, what is WISHFUL THINKING, and what is just plain BOVINE FECES. I
think bovine feces is on the top of the list.
My attempt is to provide some reality to this group. I have posted several
brain wave files and an excellent Brain Wave Monitor program ( slink12r.exe
designed by yours truly ) to look at the brain wave frequencies. I built
the analog hardware ( my specialty ) and the digital hardware ( with help
from a friend ) and the software ( with help from 4 different programmers).
I spent 10 years looking at the EEG of many different people. I have never
seen any indication that would make me believe that what you propose is
possible. No two people have the same brainwaves and no two session of the
same people are the same.
If you want to do something useful, duplicate the slink12r.exe program in
the openeeg format. Even though I designed it , and you may think I am just
tooting my own horn, I have not found anything that works as well. This
program incorporates features of all the brain monitors that I am aware of,
and circumvents their various flaws. I can think of a few improvements that
would make it work even better. This will give you a framework to build
from and to that you can "add" your theoretical "reward feedback" module.
You seem to need software definitions before you can write code. Well, why
don't you reverse engineer the slink12r.exe program. It is well defined and
should not take you long to get duplicated. Let's see what you can do with
a simple framework to get started.
Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner
Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com
Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving
your life and health.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Morrison <jmorrison_at_ahc.net.au>
To: <buildcheapeeg_at_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:19 AM
Subject: RE: [buildcheapeeg] You need programmer?
> > >> Yes, I really think you should forget about Java for now
> > > Yep I agree we have enough interest now in the plug-in/
> > > framework idea from programmers and C++
> >
> > Installing SDL and FFTW from SOURCE was a song, three
> > commands for each: ./configure, make, make install.
> > Given that GNU C is available for windows using MinGW
> > (sorry, I missed that discussion earlier), I'd say we
> > have our devtools sorted out. Everything is free, even
> > the Atmel microcontroller compilers are free.
>
> Doug could you please put a step by step guide together.
> Including where to get it (URLS) etc
> any special instructions (Probably NON)
>
> Anyone volunteer (Jim??) to do the same for Windows ???.
>
> And send them in and up load them to the folder "NF platform (John
> Morrison)" on the yahoo group.
>
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/buildcheapeeg/files/NF%20platform%20(John%20Mo
> rrison)/
>
> That will give any non-techies an easy way to get it on and compile the
> program latter!
> PLUS we'll all start with an SOE "Standard Operating Environment". :-)
> Don't you just love the shortened versions. :-\
>
> > (re networking)
> > > I'd be interested but as you say probably just an
> > > experiment!
> >
> > Understanding just one set of brain waves (yours) in
> > real time is a challenge, I'm trying to envision
> > looking at multiples and my brain hurts <g>.
> Forget about looking at brain waves!
> Thing more about Biofeedback-reward type system....eg everyone get a green
> light then they ALL reach the right state.
> OR
> L/S (light & Sounds) or Shakti machines synchronising everyone's brain
waves
> to the same frequency!
> OR
> As simple as waiting for everyone to reach a certain state of
consciousness
> (eg Alpha) before continuing with an exercise!
>
>
> > > Open source and free software all the way!
> >
> > I love Java but I love true open source more. Usually
> > I program Java on Linux, but there are situations when
> > it doesn't make sense, and this is one of them.
> Ok OK I get the point. :-)
> And you know a HELL of a lot more about Java then I do. :-)
>
>
> > > That also means that we could offer a package for who
> > > ever wants to write modules! Get this library + this
> > > compiler + these batch/script files and start writing!
> >
> > Jim already has it set up nicely. It's trivial to install
> > SDL and FFTW. I personally think these should remain as
> > separate packages, not integrated into OpenEEG. If all
> Yes I see your point and it is a good one!
> I haven't been following these lately I'll have to look them up!
>
> > people included support libs there would be a lot of
> > redundancy and compatibility issues. It's not hard at all
> > to install these (on linux anyways). Jim mentioned that
> > he might extract the needed parts from SDL and FFTW, I
> > think it's not worth the effort and is generally a bad
> > idea anyways. People may have good reasons to use both
> > SDL and FFTW for other software. If the OpenEEG stuff
> > was set up with automake, it would be as simple as
> > /configure, make, make install to build all three of
> > these peices.
> Yep sounds good.
>
> Any comments from those that have worked with Windows??
>
> > -- Doug
>
> John
>
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