From: Joerg Hansmann (info_at_jhansmann.de)
Date: 2002-03-01 12:55:55
Hi Dave,
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From: Dave <dfisher_at_pophost.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:32 PM
Subject: [buildcheapeeg] Lucid Dreaming
...
> Perhaps you are not so much a visual learner as a kinesthetic one, or feelings
> based, or auditory.
Difficult to say. I have tried to focus on kinesthetic perception but that was in
no way better than focussing on visuals.
My main problem are endless chains of thougts that distract heavily from any
internal perception (e.g. visual imagination).
> Perhaps instead of trying to bring dreaming content back
> into visual memory, you can simply relax
Perhaps relaxation is the key and relaxation seems not to be
compatible with too much thinking.
> into the sensations of the dream --
> whatever part of it is strongest for you. Then simply keep relaxing while
> holding your attention on these sensations, and remain open to surprise as you
> relax deeper.
If I really manage to relax deeper my thinking becomes incoherent
and I get unconsciously absorbed in dream scenes.
...
> It is like
> recursive dreaming. That happened three levels deep once, and believe me, when
> I woke up the fourth time, it took a lot to convince me that I was not going
> suddenly awaken.. again. ;-)
And was the conviction justified ?
Or did you just convince yourself that this dream here _must_
be "Reality" ? ;-)
>
> >> Lucidity continued to occur spontaneously a couple of times a year after that
> >> until I began to explore L/S machines, which took it to a completely new level.
> >
> >That seems to be interesting. What session types did you use ?
> >I assume that it has to something with theta waves (for entering the
> >hypnagogic state) and some alpha and beta components to stay conscious.
>
> Well, believe it or not, I did not use a session on manual. I just set the L/S
> machine for a 5.5 Hz offset using a carrier wave of 96 Hz. Hmmm... I'm not
> sure how the Photosonix Nova Pro splits up the channels, but it was probably a
> sine wave of 96Hz in one ear and 101.5Hz in the other. That's it.
That is easy to implement with e.g. SDL.
Did you use light stimulation too or only sound ?
> No fancy
> program, no ramp down from beta, into alpha, etc. Just that nice low theta
> beat of 5.5.
Is this 5.5 Hz a "magic" frequency ? Or did other frequencies work also ?
...
> I was "half awake" and just relaxed into the vibrations, thinking "Oh, this
> should be interesting to project here..." When the vibrations were of
> sufficient intensity, I "rolled out" of the bed and into... how can I say this?
> Into what was like a crack between realities.
Malcolm Godwin wrote a chaper about this ("Falling between worlds")
> It was absolute nothingness.
Seems to be the void from which all forms arise.
> I
> screamed, and could not stop screaming.
Seemingly you have not been prepared for this experience...
> It was the raspy scream of pure terror
> that I could not stop, and I was falling... falling. Even during this I kept
> telling myself "I am at the monastery... I am at the monastery..." while my
> terror continued until finally the fall stopped and I came back into my full
> waking self.
Pure terror and moments enlightenment perhaps are the same. Only the
set of mind is different.
> Gee, kind of makes you want to experience OBE's now, doesn't it? :)
Of course ! ;-)
> I'm
> laughing at myself because I can't believe I am writing some of this, but,
> well, you opened the door and I walked through. :)
No problem.
...
> >Not always but often ?
>
> Depends. It depends how much attention and practice I have been giving to
> this. For example, if I have not attempted to consciously project in a couple
> of months, it might take 2-3 days of attempts each morning before I reach that
> state. If I keep that up, I will be projecting each morning, with a few misses
> inbetween.
Impressive.
...
> However, to bring it back
> into the domain of EEG interest, I do plan on hooking myself up to the EEG
> device to see if anything interesting can be seen.
Keep me posted.
> Charles Tart has done a lot
> of studies in this area, and other than some unusual sleep spindles not being
> where they should be (he did a lot of testing on Robert Monroe), I don't recall
> anything significant showing up. It's been a while since I've read his
> studies, though, so there may be more.
LaBerge used a REM-detector (EOG or infared refelction sensor) and
let his subjects signal that they were in the lucid dream state by
a predefined eye movement pattern.
It was even possible to send morse-code messages from the dream-world
to a sensitive EMG device attached to the lower arm, because in REM sleep
motoric nerves are attenuated but not totally bocked.
Regards,
Joerg
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