From: frans (f.smith_at_c...)
Date: 2001-08-11 01:42:01
----- Original Message -----
From: lucas darten
To: buildcheapeeg_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [buildcheapeeg] The cheapest biofeedback device
Enlightenment is a state of mind, wisdom, and knowledge.
*enligthment goes beyond the mind for what is the mind ?. such a man is free from physical matter.
His wisdom and knowlegde is about the cosmos, the reason behind our existence. He understand
all the things in the universe.
Mirroring brainwaves would only directly help with the first.
*That is, if you realy belief that a brain-pattern can tell if a man is enlighted, only because his pattern
looks like that of a real master or because one has learned to produce such a pattern.
Again, the fact that a mster can show a special pattern is not representative for the fact that the man
is enlightened.
But with time and practice could help someone gain the other two. The keyword here is 'help'.
* the other two ?...many strong man in the past lived isolated fromt he world, and yet did not reach
samadi or enlightment !!!! They had knowlegde, real masters. Why shouldwhe be able to reach
such a perfect state ???? and...who is our teacher ???? one who is a licenced NFB practionar ??
I think, at least in some cases, it could be dangerous.
You wouldn't want to train someone this way who believes in nothing. It could work as a shortcut to things that often come with enlightenment (i.e. emapthic ability, visions, etc), but they would not have the necessary discipline to deal with it. Even someone who is not as enlightened as they think, could be unable to handle it.
*Dangerous, yes agree...if you would start to meditate and you would reach theta, then you would encouter
many problems. Its not alway's wise to go into theta/deltha
This is the way I see it.
discipline, meditation, learning --> enlightenment --> visions, supernatural abilities, etc
*Your mistake is that you belief super natural abilities are the result of enlightment !!!
While in fact super natural abilities are but an obstacle on the way toenligthment. !!!
*I still find it strange that you talk that simpel about enlightment.
Are you sure whe are talking about the same thing ?????
Enlightment is the "last" part of training. Afhter that you posess all the knowledge !!!!!!!!!
Visons, supernatural abilities (shiddis) are "bull-shit" !!!!!!!!!!!
If one wants to become enlightened, he or she will enter the pad !!!!!
Then the training begins. First one must master a lot of problems like the body, dis-tractions etc..
If afther some time good training a student becomes aware of so called shiddis, then there is the
first danger !!!!!!!
For if he would make use of them he would loose all the time he spent in training to come that far.
Don't you see ???? its only his EGO that would make him use the shiddis !!!!!!
By doing so he never can clim the ladder. a real student will IGNORE the shiddis, they act like a
dis-traction. He may not give in, for it is not the goal !!!..the goal isto become enlightened !!!!!!!!!
You must understand that our EGO is an obstacle...
I'm not sure whe talk about the same "enlightment".
I think it is possible to skip the middle step (I have seen and heard of many who seemed to have done this to a great degree), but it's probably nota good idea.
*what i think is that no one is enlighted. Only in the past there where some man who where (jezus ?),
and some master in the east. The last master ar not living today. Today's masters only call them self
masters..or did you ever saw such a saint ?????
If anyone were to try to do this, I would suggest to go at it cautiously,and always keep in mind that what we know is insgnificant to what we do not know.
LJDarten.
A last example: not many man can realy concentrate. Its a skill that onlyfew posess. However, if you would
train in real concentration (not just 15 minutes a day), then you would experience the following:
1. You would notice that you would sense somebody's intention, if one would ask you something you
would know. Shiddis, you could feel someone's emotions/thougth, etc.....
2. If you would ignore them they would go away in time...
3. You would notice it happens without you wanting it to happen.
4. If you would make use of it, (your ego) then you would loose your power to concentrate......
for you give attention to occult powers !!!!!...
By doing so all the work would be for nothing. You had to stard all over...
However, if you would ignore the shiddis, then your power would be big, you could go further in training
for the higher states..
Best Regrads.
Frans
----- Original Message -----
From: frans
To: buildcheapeeg_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [buildcheapeeg] The cheapest biofeedback device
P.s
Do you think an enligthed man has a
special brain pattern witch can be imi-
tated by normal man, and at that moment they are enligthened ???
Is the special brain pattern a result of the fact that this man is enligthened, or
is being enlighted a result of brain patern ?.
You realy think by having the same brain
patern you would be enlighted ?.
so from that moment on you have a form
of higher conciousness ?.
I think this is not the case, but if it would
be that simpel, the world would be a different place.
Frans
----- Original Message -----
From: SKYFLYER
To: buildcheapeeg_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [buildcheapeeg] The cheapest biofeedback device
Hi,
Does anyone know where to find info about brainwave patterns from
enlightened people?
Is it different from normal people? If different, then we could findthe
right biofeedback practice to achieve that state. If EEG can not find the
difference, what can?
Skyflyer
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