From: Jim Meissner (jpmeissner_at_mindspring.com)
Date: 2002-02-22 17:36:46
Dear Jim Peters and Dave:
Jim you are quite right about that there is more to it. You have to learn to focus high energy and also to relax to a very deep state. I believe youmust train both systems.
Let me point out again that there is something very interesting in the Downey EEG file. I spent a lot of time looking for high frequency signals fromthe brain thinking it must be there to account for the bandwidth of information that comes through the psychic connections. So when I tested this medium he agreed to go and find out what this "frequency" is when he went into his state.
Let me first digress and tell you what the average person's brain EEG lookslike so you have a comparison. If the average person can learn to relax,you will see a reduction in the amplitude of the random Beta frequency spectrum. There are no coherent steady state repetitive Beta signal frequencies. The higher frequencies die out first and ultimately all frequencies between 1 and 50 Hz are essentially zero amplitude. Then suddenly out of nowhere pops up the steady and stable coherent Alpha frequency of 10 Hz. Thenas this person relaxes more, the 10 Hz signal suddenly disappears and switches to the Theta state. You never see the Alpha frequency change to 9, 8,7, 6, 5 Hz as is published in most New Age books. This is a sudden "STATE" change, not a frequency change. Then at some point the Theta frequency disappears and is replaced by the Delta frequency. During sleep you will see this person jump from state to state even into the Beta state for a briefmoment before clicking down through Alpha, Theta, and Delta again. The point is that the average person will be in only "ONE" brain state at a time.
Here is what I saw as Mr. Downey went into his mediumistic state. He was sitting in a chair, eyes closed and talking to me in a very relaxed manner. His voice was very soft. On the EEG I see the Beta activity drop to a very low amplitude, but not disappear. Then suddenly there was Beta "and" Alpha. A little while later there was Beta, Alpha, and Theta. About 5 minutes later he begins to tell me that he is in the process of hooking up and suddenly there is Beta, Alpha, Theta and Delta. Now he is sharing with me the conversations he is having with the "other side". He said that the frequencies that are coming through right now are the important ones and I should record them. What showed up on the EEG were "extremely" high amplitude Delta frequencies. Unfortunately I was recording with only an 8 bit A/D converter and the signals overloaded my system. The other problem was that myFFT buckets were 1 Hz wide, so I could not determine what the frequency was.
The conclusion I came to was that there are several different layers of the"mind" that normally do not talk to each other. I understand that the primitive mind was much more "psychic" and more hooked to the spirit world. The key may be to build a bridge between the "modern" conscious and the "primitive" mind.
Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Peters
To: buildcheapeeg_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [buildcheapeeg] Loose ends: Power
Dave wrote:
> >I believe the frontal lobes hold the key. They are the newest
> >part of the brain. None of the EEG/NF practitioners want to
> >look there because of the artifacts that can exist in that region.
>
> That's exactly why I've been avoiding them ...
Just one thought here: My interest is in altered states, 'body
awareness' (i.e. awareness energetically from the body as a unit
rather than from individual receptors such as eyes and skin or
whatever), and stuff like that. I'm also interested in delegating
everything I possibly can to other parts of my being, because they do
the job so much better than me ('me' being my conscious awareness).
That way I keep my brain just for overseeing the whole thing and
"correcting the path".
For that reason I'm interested in the oldest parts of the being, and
particularly in the energy body, which in my current level of
understanding I see as connected to the physical body in the belly
(this being the centre of the body -- I know the Chinese put a Tan
Tien there as well, although I'm not sure if this is related). That
by my interpretation is the gateway to all kinds of unusual things.
These areas to me are connected with lower frequency brain waves.
I know Jim-M has found some fantastic results (from what he's
described) from going to the other extreme, i.e. by increasing the
activity of the most highly conscious part of his being, by increasing
levels of 40Hz waves and so on. Perhaps this explains his interest in
the highly conscious areas of the brain.
However, I felt it was worth pointing out that this is not likely to
be whole story, just to keep a balance here.
Also, I think it is useful to see a correspondance with quantum
mechanics again here. In quantum mechanics, a high energy particle
has high frequency, and also is very focussed in space and time. It
is called "particle-like". This corresponds to 40Hz waves and to
Jim's tennis technique.
However, a low energy particle has low frequency and its position is
very undefined in time and space. It is like a field of probability,
and it is called "wave-like". To me this corresponds to low frequency
brain waves, and with states in which you can sense things further
away than your immediate boundaries -- i.e. where you are spreading
yourself out in time and space (e.g. mediums, OOBEs, whatever).
It is also interesting to note that all the weird quantum effects
(like having probability-waves that effectively try many possibilities
at once, and then collapse to just one only when you look at them)
only occur for wave-like particles. This to me corresponds with all
the strange phenonema you can read about in Castaneda's books and
elsewhere, like relocating your body and stuff like that. So long as
you don't give it any conscious attention (which would lock the thing
back into particle-like behaviour), all kinds of weird things seem
possible.
Note that I've experienced a good load of weird things, but more by
luck than anything else (mostly by interacting with ususual people and
unusual situations), and I am by no means enough in control of my own
state to really test this all out. This is just my way of making
sense of what I've experienced and read so far, and I offer it as one
possible viewpoint that might have some value to some people.
Bear in mind I might be completely wrong on all of this.
Jim
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